Dr. Ted's Home Page     Site Additions      Invisalign Info Menu   Orthodontic Jaw Wiring   Arrange a Consultation    Lingual braces 

Back to Directory of Site URLs on OJW #149

February 15, 2011:

Notice sent to ESCO October 2, 2009

Posted to ESCO August 10:

Post to ESCO 080308:

Response from Dr. Rothstein:

Subject: Ten reasons to provide the Orthodontic Jaw Wiring Service as per Dr. Moscowitz

Date:    Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:09:38 EDT From:    Typodont@AOL.COM

Subject: Re: Role of our Editors

-The role of the editor(s)

Rarely would I comment on this subject, but I think that it speaks to the fundamental problems of any internet based orthodontic forum.  No doubt, this forum gives all of us an opportunity to raise questions, share experiences, propose new directions, and discuss orthodontic related information that would most likely not be covered in our professional publications (peer reviewed or otherwise).  To a large extent, each and every one of us in orthodontics have been empowered with respect to having the opportunity to be listened to any particular subject in orthodontics.  It is a unique media, however, not without its thorns.  Unsupervised information internet sites have the potential to degenerate into meaningless, sophomoric, and silly type of rooms And just whenever this one seems to be heading that way, I am pleasantly surprised to see the direction or focus of information favorably change.  I
cannot believe that our ESCO editors are not responsible to some degree to shifting the orthodontic conversations into better places when needed.  This brings us to the rather serious and awesome responsibility of any editor.  In all fairness to our editors, they are, to a fault, rather accepting as to the subjects as well as to the scope of dialogue on any particular subject.  Although it may seem regrettable to some of our ESCO participants, editors must exercise some degree of editorial license with respect to what they accept and how much latitude they will give to individual subjects and contributors.  If not, this forum will deteriorate to the lowest common denominator; and it will do so rather quickly.  Although none of us will be completely satisfied with the content of each and every ESCO listing, there seems to be enough good orthodontic conversation to keep us all coming back.  On balance, therefore, I think that our editors are doing rather nicely while we all learn to use the relatively new communication vehicle of the internet.  Any editor must sift through at times voluminous material and separate the gold from the dross none of us are perfect and we error.   However, in addition to each of us who contribute to ESCO regularly, or from time to time, it is ultimately, the editors, who have the responsibility of establishing and maintaining certain standards of content and discussion.  And naturally, all this is accompanied by editorial criticism from all of us.  Editors learn to have somewhat thicker skin than most because some of our contributors may not be completely satisfied with either the subject or content of our postings at any given time.   And of course, forums such as ESCO, generically, will also invite the great  in our specialty who sometimes present discussions that are somewhere in between Voodoo worship and the Psychic Hotline.  In most instances, such discussions are easily identified and managed even with the most persistent and energetic proponents of such idiocy.  What remains to this ESCO subscriber, is essentially some valuable information that might help us treat our patients a little better tomorrow or at the very least stimulate us to want to learn more about any particular subject. While it may be disheartening for some of us to know that some judicious censorship must be implemented, such editorial overseeing does not preclude openness, fairness, and forward thinking,  In the end, many of us are permit ted to offer comments but not necessarily empowered to use this forum as a soap box for self promotion.  The latter would clearly represent professional communication abuse of this forum.  Elliott M Moskowitz, D.D.S.,M.Sd, New York City                                                                                        

RESPONSE TO ESCO JULY 11, 2008

RECEIVED FROM ESCO JULY 9, 2008

Date:    Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:01:23 EDT
From:    Diane Johnson <DHMJDDS@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: ESCO Digest - 2 Jul 2008 to 7 Jul 2008 (#2008-67)

-------------------------------1215622883
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


Teddy--

If you think so highly of our swinish opinions, you certainly have the 
option to discontinue posting.  You may then post to the 
already-converted-to-your-way-of-seeing-things-forum.  There is a another  phrase for that: preaching
to the choir.

Sorry, bud, it is our DUTY to be skeptical of these things.  When  someone,
out of the clear blue sky, comes up with a wild new technique, e.g. Fat  people
need their teeth wired shut so they won't eat; we can charge them money  for
this; ergo, we should do this, and posts it to this forum, that someone is 
delusional if he or she thinks that everyone is going to embrace him and  sing
hallelujah.  This is particularly true if that someone has a web site  that
anoints that someone with specialties that are made up and that is full of 
hyperbole about qualifications and abilities.

This forum is for discussion, and even dissection, of orthodontics and 
related subjects.  Your technique is a related subject, but if you are  selling
something, I still think that is inappropriate to post.  I am not  one who would
advocate blocking your posts, or anyone's posts, as long as they  are decent,
basically on topic, and not terribly ad hominem.  I don't think  it is
reasonable to expect us to be completely non-ad-hominem. The weight given  to each
person's argument for or against something is always going to be  influenced by
our judgements of their opinions on other subjects, their ability  to make an
intelligent, cogent argument, and our estimate of their expert  status in
regards to the subject they are discussing. 

I do absolutely agree with you that everyone must sign their posts  with
their real names, not just their email or screen names.  No fair  criticizing
someone else as "anonymous."  But also, enough pouting from  anyone who gets even
the mildest criticism.  Dr. Matasa, Barry's comment  really wasn't mean at
all.  "C," to my knowledge, no one has ever  criticized you on this forum.  Guys
who send me private emails to thank me  for saying what they were thinking:
thank you all very much, but also please  stand up for yourselves.

OK, now I'm off topic.  I promise something new and different next  time. 
This is why I love orthodontics:  Something new and different  walks into my
office every single day.

Diane Johnson
 

Topics of the day:

  1. Writing to ESCO: FLAK * jackets on!
  2. "Removing braces": A YouTube film by Dr. Ted Rothstein
 Date:    Fri, 4 Jul 2008 05:59:32 EDT
From:    Drted35@AOL.COM
Subject: Writing to ESCO: FLAK * jackets on!
*FLAK 
Etymology: German, from  Fliegerabwehrkanonen, from Flieger flyer +  Abwehr
defense + Kanonen cannons
Date:  1938 

Ted Rothstein, DDS, PhD Life active member AAO
Specialist in Cosmetic  Orthodontics  _Specialist in OJW_
(http://www.drted.com/index.html.bak2/jaw_wiring.htm) 
Founder DPOJW _www.drted.com/DPOJW.html_ (http://www.drted.com/DPOJW.html)
35 Remsen St.  Brooklyn, NY   11201
(718) 852-1551  _www.drted.com_ (http://www.drted.com/)    _drted35@aol.com_

Dear C:

I completely understand how you feel.

You are not the first person to be beaten off and driven away  by some of ou
r
ESCO colleagues who spout endless drivel while attacking  mercilessly.(See
below.)

Sometimes I find it hard to believe how petty, mean-spirited some of these
commentators can be   I could go on...

Here is an apt expression for the some of the ESCO commentariat  when you
prepare to write in your pearl:     Do not cast your pearls  before swine 
    
Do not waste good things on people who will not appreciate them. This
_proverb_ (http://www.bartleby.com/59/7/proverb.html)  is adapted  from a sa
ying of
_Jesus_ (http://www.bartleby.com/59/1/jesus.html)  from the _Gospels_
(http://www.bartleby.com/59/1/gospels.html) , E2809C_Cast not pearls  bef
ore swine_
(http://www.bartleby.com/59/1/pearlsbefore.html) .E2809D Jesus appears to
be warning his
_disciples_ (http://www.bartleby.com/59/1/disciples.html)  to preach  only
before receptive audiences.

The brouhaha this will raise will no doubt wake the dead. Let the
commentariat  begin their bloviations.

I love the sport of the witty retort.  It's just a  game you play with verba
l
bullies. It's good to exercise your sense of  humor.

As for the DVD. the film was made and aired on miniDV  tape and is being
converted to DVD format. I'll put your name on my list  of people who have
requested the DVD.

The ten-minute version will air on YouTube in  a few week.

Can I post this entire note to the ESCO forum? I promise  I will delete all
traces of your identity.

I just had another orthodontist and university professor  to timid to take a

stand who asked  if I would write a  letter to ESCO to chastise some of the
more vocal bloviators who made a  mockery of him when he most recently prese
nted
a beautiful  piece of research on bracket adhesion v pad configuration. It
was like  someone booted him in the gut. He was demoralized.

In the meantime just go to drted.com and the world of  orthodontic jaw wirin
g
(OJW) will appear.
See the rubrics on the home page  "orthodontic jaw  wiring"  and the
'OJW-dpojw course".

Cordially, Ted
Have a safe and happy July 4th



In a message dated 7/3/2008 8:05:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_xxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx_ (mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx)   writes:

Dear Dr. Rothstein,

I am an xxx orthodontist - actually a full-time  xxxx xx xxxx xxx for 5 year
s
now - and would greatly appreciate viewing your  dvd regarding OJW.  I am
starved for any ortho related information  and am completely unfamiliar with
the
technique.  Also being a  person who avoids conflict at nearly all costs, I
must say that I admire  you "staying the course" with various hostile ESCO
contributors.  This is  the main reason that I am an avid ready and infreque
nt
contributor.


Date:    Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:45:09 EDT
From:    Drted35@AOL.COM
Subject: "Removing braces": A YouTube film by Dr. Ted Rothstein

Ted Rothstein, DDS, PhD Life active member AAO
Specialist in Cosmetic  Orthodontics  _Specialist in OJW_
(http://www.drted.com/index.html.bak2/jaw_wiring.htm)  
Founder DPOJW _www.drted.com/DPOJW.html_ (http://www.drted.com/DPOJW.html)
35 Remsen St.  Brooklyn, NY   11201
(718) 852-1551  _www.drted.com_ (http://www.drted.com/)    _drted35@aol.com_
(mailto:drted35@aol.com)

Dear Esteemed Colleagues:

See it at: _http://youtube.com/user/drteddrted_
(http://youtube.com/user/drteddrted)  

July 3, 2008: Today I received a new comment on my YouTube video from  a
patient in another doctor's practice who wrote:

"thank you for adding this video i can't imagine how easy it is ti have 
braces on my teeth i was so scared to death and i hope it would be the same as 
for removing them

I responded:

"Thank you for taking the time to write this note. The film was intended to 
diminish the anxiety of the unknown. Tell, show and do is a common technique
to  allay patient fear. There was no "show" for removing braces. Now there is
one.  Judging from the kind remarks of patients like yourself it appears that
this  film has made a difference, and these kind remarks are my reward.

Dr. Ted Rothstein: drted.com  070308"

The next time your patient inquires about removing braces do them a favor 
and send them to: _http://youtube.com/user/drteddrted_
(http://youtube.com/user/drteddrted)

Enjoy. Ted
 

The "C." a another person name Carl who wrote me yesterday. It reminded me of you so I wrote this letter. Ted